Model: Musikgerät 65
Antique radios, Old Time Radios
Musikgerät 65
Country:
Germany
Manufacturer/Brand:
Grundig (Radio-Vertrieb, RVF, Radiowerke)
Year: 1958 / 1959
Type:
Broadcast receiver (Radio).
Im Gegensatz zu Radioempfängern für kommerzielle und/oder militärische Zwecke und den frühen Empfängern für Morsezwecke nennen wir hier Radio bzw. Rundfunkempfänger. Aber: Gemäss internationaler Sprachregelung führt der Radiokatalog Band 1 alle Empfänger mit aktiven Bauteilen als RADIO. Wir unterscheiden hier ebenfalls nicht, ob mit Röhren bestückt, hybrid, mit Transistoren oder/und ICs.Radio or Tuner
Mod.-ID = 21670
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Schematics etc.: 6 (for
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Principle
Superhet with a preamplification stage.
Please use «To add informations to model» if you know more! Thanks.
Récepteur TSF superhétérodyne avec préamplification de HF.
Superhet mit HF-Vorstufe.
Superhet with RF-stage; IF-Freq. 10700 kHz
Tuned circuits
9 FM-circuit(s)
Wave bands
UKW-Gerät ohne weitere Wellenbereiche - muss nicht FM sein!.VHF only (not necessary in FM)
Power type and voltage
AC set plus voltage range.
/ = 2 different voltages
- = voltage from-to
* = «Special»
Apparareil à courant alternatif. Tensions mentionnées.
/ = 2 Spannungswahlen
- = von-bis
* = Fabrikwahl/«Spezial»
Trafo ist nicht immer mit Primär- undSekundärwicklungen versehen. Dadurch kann das Chassis ein gefährlichesPotential führen.Alternating Current supply (AC) / 110; 125; 220 Volt
Loudspeaker/pwr.out
Permanent magnet type moving coil speaker (principle by Rice-Kellog, without field excitation coil).
Haut-parleur avec système dynamique à aimant permanent (sans bobine d`excitation).
Permanentdynamischer Lautsprecher, also (modernes) Tauchspulenprinzip mit Selbsterregung bzw. Permanentmagnet statt Magnetspule. Siehe «Radios von gestern» Seiten 329ff.Permanent Magnet Dynamic (PDyn) Loudspeaker (moving coil)
/ 2.5 W
/ Ø 11 cm = 4.3 inch
from Radiomuseum.org
Model: Musikgerät 65
Material
Plastic case - not bakelite.
Caisse en plastique - pas en bekelite!
Moderner Kunststoff im Gegensatz zu Materialien wie Bakelit, Philit etc.Modern plastics (no Bakelite or Catalin)
Shape
Tablemodel with Clock ((Alarm-) Clock Radio).
Dimensions (WHD)
280 x 150 x 140 mm / 11 x 5.9 x 5.5 inch
Valves / Tubes
4:
ECC85
(more
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Notes
2 Germanium-Dioden RL233 im Ratiodetektor.
VDRG-Handbuch 1958/59 und Geräte-Rückwand nennen 11 Kreise, dies ist falsch.
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Musikgerät 65 (Grundig (Radio-Vertrieb, RVF, Radiowerke))
Would anyone have either a drawing or a photograph showing how to properly string the dial cord on this model, please? I'm attempting to repair a badly abused Grundig 65 clock radio and mine didn't come with a proper dial cord. (Fortunately I do have the dial pointer. It was attached to the tuning scale by way of a piece of sticky tape to make it appear that the scale was operational!)
Grundig 65 disassembly instructions:
Remove single large screw at lower center of the back. This allows you to gently pull the whole back straight out and off.
Using a long screwdriver (M4) reach in outside and along each side of the chassis and find the set screws securing the side knobs for station tuning and volume. These knobs does not pull nor screw off. You may have to turn the knobs to locate the screwheads.
Remove all four valves.
Reach in using a small soldering iron and disconnect the speaker connections at the speaker terminals. The speaker wires are embedded in the output transformer at the other end, so this is the only way.
In similar fashion disconnect the three wires going to the synchronous clock mechanism.
Again using a long, thin screwdriver reach in below the chassis and locate the pair of screws connecting the chassis to the front of the cabinet. On my radio these screws were hidden behind the green wire bundle running along the front of the chassis.
The chassis can now easily be pulled out of the cabinet, providing access to all components.
Some technical tips:
*) There are some hidden paper- and electrolytic capacitors below the mains transformer. In particular the critical DC blocking cap C9 is there. So the mains transformer needs to be temporary disconnected and removed to properly service the radio.
*) It is tempting to turn the chassis upside down during service, resting it on the top of the VHF tuner and the mains transformer assembly. Careful though! The heater supply feedthrough capacitor, C42, for the VHF tuner is very long and it is very easy to break it when the chassis is resting upside down. This had happened to my radio during a previous (failed and very crude) repair attempt and I had to break out the 100W soldering iron to replace this capacitor with a suitable replacement. Fortunately a low voltage (and thus physically shorter) feedthrough cap will serve nicely here, somewhat preventing the problem from occuring again.
*) My clock radio have what I can only describe as a factory original mechanical manufacturing error?! The main power supply bridge rectifier, B250-C75, had apparently been displaced from its intended location, complete with original long AC supply wires from the transformer. There are a pair of M3 threaded holes in the chassis, which are obviously intended for mounting the bridge rectifier. However if one attempts to do so, the bridge will conflict with and hit the screwheads holding the dial cord tensioning device in place. Oops.
As a result on my radio someone at the factory had attempted to move the rectifier up and away from the front, using a hole intended for mounting the VHF tuner unit plus a spare elongated hole instead. This worked fairly OK, except that one was then unable to reach from below the fourth screwhead securing the Aluminum cover of the VHF tuner unit.
The fix for me was to use the correct threaded mounting holes by adding 10x M3 flat washers as spacers, allowing the bridge rectifier to ride clear of the conflicting screwheads. I also had to add a new M3 screw to secure the VHF tuner. Everything now makes much more sense. For instance the short, red piece of flex tubing covering the B+ terminal on the rectifier is now obviously there to prevent an accidental short between the B+ terminal and the grounded screen wire of the IF connection coming from the V
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