Radio model image use

Hello all

I have published many photos of my radios online. I have Also created a few new models in the RM database. I have now seen two of my photos being used by other members to create new models in the database. While I enjoy having the radiomuseum resource added to, I’d like to have had the option to perform this myself and have credits allocated to my account. Is it acceptable practice to upload another members photos? Thanks. 

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Hi Rod,
you have only uploaded 4 smal, dark pictures to Stromberg 345-H.  (Pictures are best with 1400 pixel width.)

So I assume some of your pictures published outside of RM are used to create a new model. Model-creation is ok, but is is not ok to use pictures from other websites. You may contact the uploader and tell him what you think about his use of your pictures.

Please tell me the models and picture-IDs. If you send me your original pictures I can replace the pictures and change the uploader name to you. I can also block the stolen pictures after you upload your pictures in high quality. I must have a trust, that the pictures have been done by you.

Heribert Jung
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The two I have noticed by chance are Canadian General Electric C-403

Here

and

RCA Victor 4c672

 Here 

There is no doubt the images are mine, taken by me and uploaded to my website.

Retro Radio Shop.com

Im sure there are others but I don’t have the time to search hundreds of my photos. I’ll PM the originals to you shortly. As I have Mentioned, I’m glad that the database is expanding but it would be nice if permission was asked prior to using the images.  

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Hello Rod,

As you can see in the legend of the image on model C403, it was retrieved from an eBay auction which at the moment of posting is still accessible here.

It is definitely allowed to use images from eBay auctions under the provision that the source is mentioned - as is the case here. Seeing that the price of this unit is the same as what you ask on your commercial website I suspect that you are the seller "olesmole"?

If you are not said seller, then the dispute should be between you and them. A user cannot discern if the images used in an eBay auction have been copied form another website, unfortunately.

As for the legal background of using such sales pictures: images used in auctions usually do not reach a threshold of originality and do not have a level of creativity that warrants coverage by intellectual property right laws. This is specifically the case with commercial activity in used goods - images are merely meant to describe an item, they are not a work of art (exceptions exist).

The case would be quite different if those images were presented on a private website, as Heribert already wrote. If they were only publsihed on your radio shop site, it would be a matter of deliberation - in theory, also there the same principle applies, along with fair use - but in such cases we require the members to ask permission from the owner as a matter of courtesy and ultimately not to aleniate fellow enthusiasts. Naturally, in such a case, the source has to be mentioned as well.

There are a couple of websites the owners of which have given us carte blanche permission to use their images - after all mention of the shop and their web address gives them exposure and yields some traffic.

Either way, you can always upload images to existing models or create new models in radiomuseum. If you encounter a picture that has been copied from your site and used on an eBay auction that was not yours, please inform an image admin (see organization from the main menu) and have them block the image - ideally along with uploading full resolution images.

Thanks and kind regards
Mark

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Dear Rod
Thank you for telling us what you felt and how you thought about it. I understand your feelings since you did not know from where the pictures came - and in case of misuse your pictures from a seller, it would be good if you contacted that seller.

I'm glad that Heribert Jung and Mark Hippenstiel did answer you rapidly and well explained. Since this is a general problem which might interest also guests, I moved the thread to the board  "in General" with thanks to Heribert and Mark. 

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Ok, thanks for the replies. I’m really not overly concerned about it. I just wanted to inquire about etiquette involved. Yes, that is my auction as well.

I find It quite interesting though, that my images, regardless of source, can be used for someone else’s individual gain. Meaning....they collect points for uploading an image of mine that now I can’t use to collect same upload credits. My way of thinking is that, these credits are a “currency” used on this site to acquire schematics etc. 

The reason I’m not going to get all twisted up over this is that, in the end, the resource database has grown and that’s good for everyone.

I post radio images almost daily. Understanding things a bit better, and appreciating this great resource, I’ll sanction the use of any of my photos, regardless of whether an auction or on website. 

Thanks again for the info. 

Rod 

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Hi Rod,
you get much more "credits" for uploading an own picture than for uploading a picture of other source. Feel free to upload own good pictures and also pictures from back, type-lable, inside and removed Chassis. A note with a hint what to see, will help to identify the specific part of a device.

Kind regards
Heribert

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Hi Rod

You know what the answer is, I upload my photos to Radio Museum as soon as I have taken and processed them. It only takes a few seconds, gives me points, and adds to a fantastic resource for looking up radios on the internet.

And you can always include in your adverts for your radios, "As seen in the Radio Museum".

Mike

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