Tube W77-New tube-How to begin ?

Dear Radiofriends

I own a tube W77. This tube is not yet in Rmorg.
On the back side of this tube there is a label   "made in G. Britain"  "Emitron" "ELECTRICAL  & MUSICAL INDUSTRIES"

I'm a beginner in this matter. How do I upload this new tube? Where do I find the tube manufacturers list?



Best regards
Mário

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Good Evening Mario,

Before I get too long-winded, the present list of Rohrenbild-Administrators on the RMorg Staff, list 13 gentlemen. . . . . .and I am sure that one of them will be making contact very shortly to assist withthe tube data you proffer.

The longer answer is usually found within the Instructions promulgated by Mr Erb or the Officers through the TALK forum. . . . . . . . . .

I believe the most recent instructions for the administration and procesing of New tubes to be submitted for the RMorg database may be found in the following translation of Mr Erbs "Z grams" posted on 31 August 2005. . . . .I have roughly translated the text from German to English for those of us who need it.

Keeping in mind the fact that I had previously understood the tube administrators were Herr Jacob Roschy and/or Herr Hans-Thomas Schmidt (identified in Z028, on Nov 2004), I now submit the translation as follows:

Z031 RS31.08.05: Audio sites (hear) and tubes

1 Worthy members

After we had deleted (some months ago) approximately 300 completely passive members (never something brought, since more than 1 year not logged in), the existence of members has now increased again to 2300. That is a very pleasing development. Nevertheless, I believe it is the first time that I "abandon ship", from the RMorg for three weeks. On approximately 8 September, I shall depart (loosely stated). InterNet communications will also not be easily possible. For urgent cases, please direct your inquiries or comments to the Administrators in the TALK forum post. The important steps concerning functionality and linkages are now done:

We have introduced an interesting audio site - see left on the HP. Here you can find more than 20 sound tie-clips of 17 master stations and of some devices. Thus we can hear once again (like it was at the analog times) the sounds on the radios - I hope. I ask you for original examples - however particularly for examples of tuning a volume. With questions posed to the Audio administrator Bernd Kieck, he has agreed to be available for your questions and comments. Additionally, Herr Wolfgang Ullram has already made available the audio editions and transformations available on MP3.

See: http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/audio_toene_hren_von_radios_und_sendern_mu sik_und_sprache.html

For the TUBE site, we have developed and expandede it to more than 10,000 pictures presently. One can move e.g. concerning development of a tube series directly forward and back (left). If you click e.g. on the EL84 below the tube search fields, then on the magnifying glass on the EL84, in order to compare e.g. different suppliers and their prices. We are still facing the problem of receiving incorrect data with some few hundred tubes. Please submit your data for NEW tubes and for suggested changes to existing tube data, to the Tube Administrators.

Tube collectors may create for themselves their own record sheets - and tubes to offer etc.. We continue to seek additional tube lists from other sellers, and members who will consider posting these lists within RMorg. There are (still) enormous differences in prices of the same tubes from the various sellers. We continue also to seek additional tube connoisseurs as well as well as the need for quality minded tube Administrators, and administrators of the various items of the museum. Each member is encouraged to upload photographs of the tubes and items for inclusion. The circle is closed: One can post in the forum, from any manufacturer in a country, items such as a receiving tubes or transmitting tubes, or other models data. In addition, one can hear transmitters and receivers.

Wishing you a beautiful and interesting time,
Ernst Erb

_____________________________________________________________________________________

With all due respect to the Administrators and/or Officers, I hope this translation is as accurate as Mr Erb's intentions. However, if my translation has serious inaccuracies, please advise correct them as you deem necessary.

I also hope that he is enjoying some very well deserved rest and relaxation from the hectic schedule he has been accustomed to these last several years - in Costa Rica.
I do not expect a reply, but I have the feeling that our magnanimous benefactor may "glance in". Please feel free to comment only when you return and are at the "helm".

Respectfully,
Robert Sarbell

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Hello Mário,

uploading a new tube type is not just easy. First a tube administrator (like me) has to create a page of this new tube, which I did inbetween for this tube type.
Then a member can upload pictures, data sheets, base diagrams, etc. by clicking on
[Add information to tube]. Then follow the instructions of the pop-up field.

Best regards

Jacob Roschy

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Hello,
Thank you gentlemen for your replies.

About the fist reply :
I try to find   "Mr Erbs "Z grams" posted on 31 August 2005. . . ."

but no way.

All I could get was about a radio Grundig:
http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/eton_e1_xm_radiogrundig_satellit_900.html

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About the second reply:

"First a tube administrator (like me) has to create a page of this new tube, which I did inbetween for this tube type"

Yes, I understand that. Thank you for this entry. But, for the next new tubes, is this the normal procedure? Have I to post them all in forum to start, or are there another way? 

Thank you gentlemen for your patience

Best regards
Mário

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Buenas Dias Mario,
and Thank you so much Herr Roschy for explaining, I should have waited for a brief period for your response.

Los siento muchissimo - for not posting the specific place that I found the posting for Ernest's threads to the the members explaining the role of the tube administrators. . . . . we are all permitted to read the "Z" grams - that is my term for all the threads that he has used to disseminate items of interest to the German speaking members.

The Z-gram Subject that I mentioned in my post above (Nov 2004) is found by. . . .
Z028 RS 26.11.04: Röhrenseiten eingeführt - ein Anfang

Typically a number of them are translated into English, but some may not be for whatever reason.

To see the complete list of all "Z-grams", from any of the forum pages at the top block for search purposes, simply type in Z0* (please note that it should be Capitol Z, then numeral 0 and the asterisk) and press the ENTER key. . . . . . . .they all appear. You can find the Z031 there.

Ernest's announcement to take the Vacation was post #11 in the following Thread:

http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/prices_for_vacuum_tubes_valves.html

Respectfully,
Robert Sarbell

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Boa noite (Port.) ;Buenas noches (Spain) ;Good night (Eng); Gutten Nacht (Ger.)

Now I got that text in Z0*. Thank you.

Nevertheless I still don't know how to add informations to the tubes.
Ex.: Manufacturer, socket, etc.

Even to begin the process ( to enter a new tube) I don't know what to do.
To post it in forum?
To send an e-mail to Tube administrator?

I must admit my ignorance. I didn't understand yet how it works. Sorry.

To enter new models (radios etc.) has been much easier.

Best Regards
Mário

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There actually is at this moment no procedure for someone who is not tube administrator to submit new tube data, apart from uploading the various picture types and creating/editing variants.
That is, we do not yet have mechanisms that allow members to submit data and administrators to accept (or refuse) it. Currently all the tube data editing lies in the hands of the administators. I'm sorry, i don't know more. I do have a couple of tasks during the absence of Mr. Erb, but a convienent way for members to submit tube data is not among them. It seems there were just not enough people before asking to submit tube data for this to become a priority programming task.

In your place i would contact the tube admins and try to find one willingly to enter your data. Maybe you can agree with that person to send him the tube data directly per mail instead of putting it up in the forum each time.

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Thank you for your reply.

At last, it's clear to me. Definitely, I need to contact the Tube Administrator to enter new data. I'll do it.

How many Tube Administrators are in Rmorg? If they are more than one, are there a preference for this task?

Best Regards
Mário

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There are a couple, you can see the list including their email, if you go to the main page, click "Model admin" in the link bar to the left. Then on top of the model admin page there is a link "Staff", click it and select "Röhrenbild-Admin" for inclusion in the search. Apart from Ueli Kurmann and me (we are only admins for test reasons, as we are the programmers) and Ernst Erb, any of these is a possible candidate.

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Thank  you once more.
I just saw the list.

Thank you all for your help.

Mário

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Good afternoon Mario,
and Thanks to Mr Fabian Seller for the English response. . . . . .

Please accept my apology for not completing my responses to you. I was totally aware that there had not yet been a completed set of procedures to submit tube data. I also wished to identify the "Staff" page listed at the top of the Administrators ongoing tasks site to you, and the fact that in Mr Erbs Z-threads (or Z-grams) he only identified 2 of the 13 tube administrators.

Like many of the administrators, I try to review EVERY aspect of the forums that RMorg offers to us - and I translate nearly all of the items from the TALK and General threads.

The Tube administrators have a formidable task in front of them. Last November I offered a copy of the Sylvania Technical News Volumes I and II to Mr Erb to possibly include their 10 year detailed data sheets for every vacuum tube they produced from 1935 until 1945.

At that time, the tube administrators were very busy working the European tubes data bases. Needless to say, they still are quite busy.

Respectfully,
Robert

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Dear Mario,
                  this is just the Marconi/Osram version of the maybe better known (Mullard, etc.) EF92, also U/S 6CQ6, Brimar 9D6, & CV131.
I , like you, couldn't find this W77 listed, though the  EF92 is in the main list (no details though).
     If you should require details of the valve I'm sure if you just type "EF92" into "Google" search machine you'll find it, if not , contact me & I'll gladly provide it.
   Good luck with your uploading, if you wish to.
Kind regards,
                      John Turrill

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Thank you for your recent explanations.

Thank you John for your profitable search.

I just saw
http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/data/valve/tube_equivalents/tube_equivalents.php

Yes. It is there. EF92 might be equivalent.

Well, as far I understood. I've, you have,  no way to introduce this important information in this tube's page.
Perhaps a Tube Administrator will do that.

Nevertheless, for me is excelent to know that this tube is not so queer as I thought before and also that "it is not alone" :-). Thanks.

Kind Regards

Mário

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I have inserted now all the information given by John Turrill.

Tubes / valves from the UK are the most unknown ones outside their allocated area.

Best regards

Jacob Roschy

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