Russland etc. und die UdSSR |
Ernst Erb ![]()
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CH Articles: 5700 Schem.: 13756 Pict.: 31072 01.Dec.07 16:09 Count of Thanks: 25 |
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For the English speaking Model-Admins: Für Russland haben wir 4 Namen gelistet mit total 5 Modellen für die Soviet Union aber 111 Namen (Firmen/Marken) mit recht vielen Modellen. Kürzlich hat mich Georges Werts (Belgien) auf das Problem aufmerksam gemacht. Der einzige Weg, den ich momentan sehe wäre: Wir haben alle GUS-Staaten gelistet, so dass man danach auf Antrag diejenigen Makers/Modelle auf die entsprechenden Länder verschieben könnte, die heute bestehen. Nun kann ich aber etwas übersehen haben oder mich täuschen. bitte antwortet - auch in Englisch möglich - was Ihr anders vorschlagen würdet und warum. Auch Vorschläge zu den Verschiebungen in die Länder sind gewünscht. |
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CH Articles: 594 Schem.: 105 Pict.: 2352 01.Dec.07 17:27 Count of Thanks: 20 |
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Liebe Koellegen, die Quadratur des Zirkels wird in diesem Falle wohl auch nicht ganz einfach... In meinen Augen gibt es zwei grundsätzliche Ansätze:
würden wir wohl bei einigen in der UdSSR aber ausserhalb Russlands gefertigten Geräten daneben liegen, zumindest müsste also die Bezeichnung "UdSSR/Russia" (oder ähnlich) heissen. Ich hoffe, hier keine politisch inkorrekten Vorschläge gemacht zu haben, evtl. müssten wir auf die Stimmung bei den Mitgliedern aus dem Gebiet der damaligen Sowjetunion hören. Martin Bösch This article was edited 01.Dec.07 17:30 by Martin Bösch . |
Gabriel Toth ![]()
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CZ Articles: 123 Schem.: 482 Pict.: 657 01.Dec.07 22:24 Count of Thanks: 21 |
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Dear Ernst, you opened the Pandora`s Box, I guess it would be a mistake to move SU models under Russia. The SU was splitted in December 1991. Until this date the different radio frequency equipment was produced under "Made in USSR". We have exceptions for Baltic states, but in this case we have a completely different historical background. At the moment we have 2 models under SU and one model under RU only since 1992! My proposal is to leave Soviet Union as it is and rename Russia to "Russia-since 1992" to avoid doublets. In the future, if it would be necessary, we could use for example "Ukraine-since 1992", "Belarus-since 1992" etc, if we will find a model, what is evincible did not developed and made in Russia or in SU earlier. Please note, the situation is quite similar in case of Yugoslavia (factories in Ljublana, Zagreb, Niš or factories of Tesla Yu), DDR or Czechoslovakia too. Tesla (CS) company had a factory in Bratislava, in this case model 1017A and lot of more will be under Slovakia? Nonsense! Moreover, Tungsram had a factory in Bratislava too. For example, model http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/tungsram_slovensky_ludovy_prijima.html was produced on nazi dependent Slovakia, having after First Vienna Award different borders then now. Through that, this model is under CS and it is right. I think, we have to accept the history but use the common sense. BR Gabriel This article was edited 01.Dec.07 22:32 by Gabriel Toth . |
Ernst Erb ![]()
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CH Articles: 5700 Schem.: 13756 Pict.: 31072 02.Dec.07 09:39 Count of Thanks: 21 |
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Dear Gabriel Thank you very much for your answer. You opened my eyes to the point where I have now the arguments for telling the member that we stick to our model but change the name of Russia to "Russia-since 1992". What you wrote is just what I have needed ;-) My own arguments would not have been strong enough ... We could/(should?) use Russian Federation I believe but this then would be too long. In the west anyway we are used to the short terms like Switzerland instead of the official Swiss Confederation (CH) or in latin Confoederatio Helvetica. I also thank Martin for his thoughts. I close this thread now but would open it again if there is something still to say to this. This article was edited 02.Dec.07 09:47 by Ernst Erb . |