schneider: Romance FM 1961: Clarification of Model

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schneider: Romance FM 1961: Clarification of Model 
10.May.12 16:15
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Points of Difference with “Romance FM ‘58”


1) AM only versions don't have "Romance FM" badge
2) Larger flatter "Schneider" badge than"Romance FM" '58 (though this might not be accurate)
3) Earlier versions have "Cadre" (loop rotation control) here. This has Treble control there
4) "Cadre" (loop rotation control) moves to side (not on earlier versions)
5) Hole in chassis where EB91 is on older versions. Tag strip has2 x OA79, but not same circuit
6) VHF -FM head is ECF82 (as per other Schneider sets, but other older "Romance FM" sets use ECC85)
7) Audio P.A. is EL84 (9 pin B9A, Noval), Earlier "Romance" and "Romance FM" use 6AQ5 (EL90). An earlier FM model (not "Romance" but this Symphone '58 uses EL84, but ECC85 rather than ECF82 and has a EF89 AM RF premap / extra FM IF)

All of the “Romance” and “Romance FM” models I've seen earlier than 1961 are 6AQ5/ EL90 o/p tube, a B7G. Some late German sets do use a EL95 rather than EL84. Schneider seem to use EL90 or EL94

Other Schneider models do use the EL84. (but not any "Romance" variants I've seen)

This "Romance FM" is definitely after 1958, probably not the '59 version (I found a Romance 59, but it's AM only and still uses 6AQ5, it's likely using the EBF89 diodes for AM, hence no EB91). Since Chassis & VHF head is stamped 1961, and uses 2x OA79 rather than EB91of all earlier models it's likely a "Romance FM" '60 or '61 model.
 
The Schneider Beethoven '59 is ECF82, EBF89, 6AU6, EL84 and EZ80. But adds EF89 AM Preamp/FM IF and a EM84 instead of a an EM81 Magic Eye. Also has EB91 rather than 2 x OA79.
So this confirms my suspicion this is"Romance FM" '60 or '61

Probably NOT a "Romance FM '60" but must be a "Romance FM ‘61"

Someone has a 1960 model with EL90 (6AQ5):

Recherche du schéma du Schneider Romance FM 1960
Il y a quelques temps, j'ai posté un sujet sur un Schneider Romance FM de 1960 ou (61 ?). Il m'a donné plusieurs heures de bonnes réceptions mais le support du tube de la finale EL90 a mal vieillit et produisait des faux contacts de plus en plus fréquemments.

 

[Trans: Some time ago, I posted a topic on a Schneider Romance FM 1960 or (61?). It gave me several hours of good reception but support the tube EL90 has the final ageing and poorly produced bad contacts increasingly often.]


His can't be a '61 because mine is definitely made in 1961 and has EL84 (9pin), not 6AQ5/EL90 (7pin)

Several French forum threads mention  a “Romance FM” 1961 version with EL84 rather than the 6AQ5 on earlier models. Plus Puissance!

Conclusion

It is no later than 1961 due to stamps on chassis and VHF-Head. The Earlier "Romance" including 1960 produced model are all 6AQ5 / EL90 rather than EL84. All FM models up to 1959 at least have EB91 as well as EBF89 rather than 2 x OA79 germanium diodes. Thus this is identified as a "Romance FM" 1961

 

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