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For model E151A, Philips Electrical, Lamps, Industrial - Miniwatt; London:
a very similar model, though with slightly different cabinet (rounded front top edge), white knobs and a logo different from philips!
 
País:  Gran Bretaña (GB)
Fabricante / Marca:  Philips Electrical, Lamps, Industrial - Miniwatt; London
Año: 1940–1943 Categoría: Radio - o Sintonizador pasado WW2
Válvulas 6: EF50 ECH35 EF39 EBC33 EL33 DW4/350
Principio principal Superheterodino con paso previo de RF; ZF/IF 465 kHz; 2 Etapas de AF
Número de circuitos sintonía 6 Circuíto(s) AM
Gama de ondas OM y más de dos OC
Especialidades
Tensión de funcionamiento Red: Corriente alterna (CA, Inglés = AC) / 105; 120; 210; 230; 250 Volt
Altavoz Altavoz electrodinámico (bobina de campo)
Potencia de salida
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Material Madera
Forma Sobremesa de cualquier forma, detalles no conocidos.
Anotaciones

Coverage:
MW 198...565 m (1515...531 kHz)
SW 48...150 m (6,2...20 MHz)
SW bandspread circuits:
13 m, 16 m, 19 m, 25 m, 31 m, 41 m.
Only in SW bandspread mode, the EF50 acts as a rf preamplifier with an untuned (aperiodic) input circuit.
Scale lamps 3x 6,2V/0,3A.

Mencionado en -- Collector info (Sammler)

Modelo creado por Jose Duarte Costa. Ver en "Modificar Ficha" los participantes posteriores.



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Philips Electrical,: E151A
Hilos: 2 | Mensajes: 19
Entradas: 3781     Réplicas: 7
The Philips E151A
Lars-G. Lundelin
23.May.07
  1 Hello Rmorg! Relating to the thread of the PHILIPS E151A; Mr Hippenstiel wrote : “never copy text directly from other sources”….. Does this mean, you cannot write your articles in beforehand in another text handling program before you sending it to RMORG? Regards Lars-G.
Ernst Erb
23.May.07
  2 Dear Lars
Since you don't give the URL I can not really tell what he meant. I would interpret it that he indicates that we should not just copy text from other sources without permission and/or without naming the source.

If you have your (own) text in word or another editor then you can also put it into our WYSIWYG-Editor but you preferably use the "T"-pictogram - and will have plain text without formatting. This causes no problem at all. There are texts about handling our editor in the FAQ.
Robert Sarbell
24.May.07
  3 Dear Lars and Ernest,

I would like to explain what the new member from Argentina, Sr Carlos Landi, was inserting into his post to the E151A thread, some information which helps to understand the "forensics" of identifying unknown models by the "sum of their individual parts".

Carlos had sent me a direct email to ask for my assistance to determine the most likely makers of 2 radios that he had; and since he is relatively new to the radio collecting hobby, I offered my assistance. Incidentally, he has a nice collection considering the short time he has been involved with the hobby.

He sent to me the 5 photographs of a "presumed early Stewart Warner lowboy" and 5 photographs of the model that  he believed may have been an early Westinghouse.

I carefully reviewed every photograph he sent to me; and then I described in detail each of the photographs. He had my permission to use the information in any manner he chose.

He simply posted the exact verbatim output from the translator. . . .even I overlooked several errors.

I believe that Carlos may have posted the items in the E151A thread because he was quite pleased that I would take the slight amount of time to help him accurately determine what radios he really had.

Respectfully,
Robert
Please note that we have many new members who are having to learn the details that most of us have learned after MANY instances of TRIAL and ERROR.


Mark Hippenstiel
24.May.07
  4

Dear Robert,

it would have not been necessary to repost your email. The only thing we can learn from that, is that the accentuated letters are readible and the text does not break boundaries in it's original form.

Incidentally, this is exactly what I was referring to. Again, look for yourself in the two threads in question.

Nowhere did I say that there were errors in the text. I think it good to help new members, this was also not criticised by me. You will certainly agree that (due to formatting and character set problems) an almost illegible lenght of text (about some completely different radios) does in no way add to the identification of the E151A.

In any case, Lars, I was indeed referring to the formatting of the text, which most likely came from a copy action from within an email client, that induced a change in codepage (hence the loss of accentuation) and line breaks.

Kind regards,
Mark


Edit: for your reference, this thread is a continuation of the previous thread that can be found here. I have removed my and Carlos' posts from that thread and encouraged him to re-post. MH

Jose Duarte Costa
24.May.07
  5

Dear Radio Friends,

 

Thank You for your replies.

 

Let us talk about my radio E151A ?  (I hope you remember yet the subject that we were talking about.)  :-)

 

Thank You Mario Huizinga for your so helpful and profitable  explanation and for the photo of  E151A which I present in my last post.

(I didn’t buy that radio. I sent that photo because my camera was out of order and only now I have a new camera).

 

 Here it is, my E151A:

 I have now extreme difficulties to repair it without a schematic. Have You one or do You know where to find it?

 

May I presume, from all that was written before, that  is this an English radio? That's because I’d like to create this new model in Rmorg.

 

Best Regards

 

Jose Duarte Costa

Anexos

Robert Sarbell
25.May.07
  6 Dear Jose,

According to the tube lineup from the E151A depicted in Mario Huizinga's site, the tubes when placed into the RMorg search lineup (please omit the DW4 rectifier or substitute the AZ31) and activated - you find that the Pye model 36H seems to be the most nearly exact model.

Other than the 4volt rectifiers (DW4 or AZ31), the tubes of the E151A and the Pye 36H  are identical.

There is a schematic so it should give fairly accurate details.

Respectfully,
Robert
Mario Coelho
28.May.07
  7

Dear José Duarte,

Our friend and Rmorg's friend António Manuel Rodrigues dos Santos,( who I already presented here in this forum, he is, as far as I know, the greatest  Portuguese radio's collector), he is also a frequent reader of our Rmorg's foruns),

He kindly sent us  9 Service Data pages of  E.151A.  He has one E.151A  too.

Thank you, once more, Mr. António Manuel Rodrigues dos Santos.

These data pages are slightly different from the normal Philips presentation.(see bellow)

Reading the front page (though it is very dark) is easy to understand that this model is an English model,from:

 Service Department,

74-94, Cherry Orchard Road,

Croydon, Surrey

Front page:

  

Detail of front page legend:

The schematics included in this data sheets are not very clear and need  restoring. I'm doing now that job.

Now I think you have enough data to create this model in Rmorg. Then after   I'll send the schematics to Rmorg.

Best Regards

Mário Coelho

 

PS: Picture ajusted to 500 pixels. I hope it is readable yet :-).
GR: Picture adjusted to 560 ... for shure. Please read this.

Anexos

Mike Izycky
07.Sep.09
  8

Dear fellow collectors,

I stumbled across this radio as I was about to e-mail Jose on another matter - and it has been a revelation! The reason is that I found myself looking at this Philips radio... but it is shouting at me "I'm a Bush!"

The Bush radio concerned is the model EBS 74, which dates from around 1942 and was, as far as I am aware, their first model made for export although examples were sold in the UK at the time - although I do not have an example of the set I have an instruction book and accompanying guarantee which gives a date of sale as February 1942 and it was sold in Bury, Lancashire. It too has the same valve arrangement and the same tuning scale arrangement. I also have a copy of the service manual for the EBS 74.

I then downloaded the schematics from Radiomuseum, and the first thing I noticed was that the schematic diagram is very obviously a product of the drawing office at Chiswick, where Bush were based. Meanwhile, the rest of the diagrams look like they came from the Philips drawing office - the point-to-point wiring diagrams and layouts being so typical of Philips. So I then located my service manual for the EBS 74 and noted that they are identical. Only the front cover is different! This also goes a long way to explaining why the parts list has a lot of items beginning MK.... which is typically Philips, as well as the usual P.... and CP.... items which are typically Bush. It may also explain why the service manual is not typically Philips in appearance either.

The cabinet is virtually identical in presentation to the 1940 Bush model PB 73 (with a smaller scale aperture), and the chassis is seemingly identical right down to the slide switch at the back. I will propose the model PB 73 (as it seems to be absent at the moment) to illustrate the point with photographic evidence but for the moment a picture from the 1940 Bush catalogue may be seen here.

Jose, could you confirm that your Philips set covers six bandspread short wave ranges as well as the Medium and "Intermediate" (48-150m) bands?

The other set illustrated in the model listing (the one with the curved top edge) is definitely a Bush, the Bush logo is very clear on the dial. This is a model EBS 84, which dates from 1946 and uses an identical valve line-up. I have the service manual for the DC/AC version of this set, the DAC 84 which confirms the set from its appearance.

This of course now raises a very interesting question: what prompted this collaboration between Bush and Philips?

 
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RADIO PHILIPS E151A
Jose Duarte Costa
03.May.07
  1

Dear RadioFriends,

 

I’ve one Philips E151A.

As far as I know this reference number is not usual in Philips radios.

I would like to upload it to Rmorg but I must be sure about its identity.

Do You help me?

Do You know the meaning of this letter E?

Best regards

José Duarte Costa

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Maitiu Standun
03.May.07
  2

hello jose , as far as i know the 'e 'stands for eindhoven , where the original philips radio factory was  founded ,regards maitiu

could it be a german traviata 8e151a???

Ernst Erb
04.May.07
  3 Dear Maitiu
Sorry, but I see too often your guesswork.
E does definitely NOT stand for Eindhoven - if I would be sure I would write it stands for Spain for some sets before WW2.

But since I'm not sure I would not come within a few minutes and just post something. This might be usual for other forums - but not here! If after 3 days there is no answer such a hint might help but it can also lead to false opinions and postings of models etc.

Please don't do that in the future. Thank you.

************************ after an other look:
Dear Jose
Please give us more - like the scale with readeable stations and the name plate:
Then one can be more precise. For instance the tubes (valves) are probably made by Mullard (?) but Mullard did not only deliver to GB but also export to Spain for the brand Iberia and Invicta.
Roy Johnson
04.May.07
  4

Dear Jose,

The E151A is the correct Philips designation.   I have one reference to it but no details.

Mario Huizinga's excellent site has a picture of an E151A, but again no details other than the valve complement. On the site is also a reference to a E157A.    See here.

(As an aside - the use of an EF50 in a radio is interesting - it was probably because there were so many surplus available at the time of design and therefore cheaper than other RF tubes!)

It seems therefore that it would be quite in order to load it as a new and interesting radio.

Best regards,

Roy

Jose Duarte Costa
15.May.07
  5

Dear RadioFriends,
Thank you for your prompt relpies.
I confirm that almost of tubes are Mullard.
I'm sending also one photo of its dial-scale.
No city names are shown in Broadcasting scale.

Best Regards
José Duarte Costa

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Ernst Erb
15.May.07
  6 Dear Jose
Sorry to bother you again. I would like to see the plate because i still wonder about the "name".
And if possible can you write the names of the different bands etc. or take a picture where one can read those? But this may be difficult for you.

Is there no information on the plate where it is made like PHILIPS in one line and below made in ....?

Did you buy this model from Mario Huizinga - it is the same photo ... as he displays ...

If you have that set then it might be easyer to put it as a new model, state everything you can and you put it to Philips Spain - for the moment. I will then move this thread to the model and we will be able to find out by your pictures or with the help of Mario Huizinga.
Mario Huizinga
20.May.07
  7

Hi all,

 

Ernst contacted me about the radios in this topic and asked if I had additional information about the E151A / E157A.

Well, since the information for my database was submitted by the owners of these sets and I never delete any mail, I was able to have a second look at the photos that were submitted, but not published on my site.

 

The E151A info was sent to me by someone in Portugal who inherited the radio from his father.

The dial has "Bandspread tuning" printed on it but the wavelengths are in "Metres"

On the inside of the radio the is an electrolyte capacitor block that has multiple languages printed on it like "Electrolytio condenser" while the specifications are in English "Surge limiting/Peak Volts/ etc."

The service manual for this set has printed on the front: Philips Model E.151A (note the dot) and "We are confident that this slightly modified variation from the normal presentation of our Service Manuals will be understood as a war time expedient."

This would narrow the year produced down to 1940-1945.

It also states: "Service Department, 74-94, Cherry Orchard Road, CROYDON, Surrey" So the manual originated from England.

I know this does not have to indicate the radios were also built in England, but to me it seems likely that they were.

 

My conclusion for the E151A would be that the radio was produced for the Spanish (or Portuguese) market in England in the early 40's.

 

Unfortunately I don't have any documentation for the E157A, but I do have a photo of the identification plate that clearly shows the set was produced in England.

I received the info from a collector in Portugal but I don’t know how he obtained the radio.

 

I hope the information above is of use to this discussion.

 

Regards,

 

Mario Huizinga

(since this is my first post on this forum I hope I didn’t make mistakes with uploading the photos)

 

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Robert Sarbell
20.May.07
  8 Hello Mario,

Thank you so very much for the clarification of data regarding the production of Philips models E151A and E157A. However, the identification plate in your second attachment is listed as ID E175A -  considering the photo depicts the plate as E 157A" -- may we presume the correct listing should read as "ID E157A"?

Respectfully,
Robert Sarbell

I have been a frequent visitor to your web site and we exchanged communications MANY months ago. I have been attempting to research deeply into the Philips "war-year" production of receivers in the USA; and from Canada and South America.
Mario Huizinga
20.May.07
  9

Hi Robert,

 

You spotted my typo ;)

Since the photo shows the type number to be E157A the link to the photo should be "ID E157A"

 

I do remember our mailing in June 2005 about your 291A. And if you are able to close some gaps in my database with results from your quest for "war year" radio data, feel free to send me the data. ;)

 

Robert Sarbell
20.May.07
  10 Hello Mario,

I shall be happy to forward some photos of the Philips USA model 436AN that I recently posted to our RMorg database. And any other of the seldom seen radios from that time frame, I shall disseminate to all interested parties regarding the Philips USA and the Philips Electronics Canada-made radios . . . . . .and their liaison with the temporary headquarters in the Caribbean.

I have been unsuccessful in recent searches to locate some of the unusual wood knobs on the 436AN radio, consequently I am presently in the process of creating an exact replica of the knobs on a small Dremel hobby motor-operated lathe.

Regards,
Robert
Mark Hippenstiel
26.May.07
  11

This thread is continued here.

 
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