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VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191

VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191; Incar S.r.l.; (ID = 2563916) Radio
VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191; Incar S.r.l.; (ID = 2563772) Radio VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191; Incar S.r.l.; (ID = 2563773) Radio
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VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191; Incar S.r.l.; (ID = 2563772) Radio
Incar S.r.l.;: VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191 [Radio] ID = 2563772 1400x940
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For model VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191, Incar S.r.l.; Vercelli:
Front view of Incar VZ603
 
Country:  Italy
Manufacturer / Brand:  Incar S.r.l.; Vercelli
Year: 1956 ? Category: Broadcast Receiver - or past WW2 Tuner
Valves / Tubes 6: EC92 ECH81 EF85 EABC80 EM80 EL41
Semiconductors (the count is only for transistors) Selen
Main principle Superheterodyne (common); ZF/IF 470/10700 kHz
Tuned circuits 6 AM circuit(s)     8 FM circuit(s)
Wave bands Broadcast, Short Wave plus FM or UHF.
Details
Power type and voltage Alternating Current supply (AC) / 110; 127; 180; 220; 270 Volt
Loudspeaker Permanent Magnet Dynamic (PDyn) Loudspeaker (moving coil) / Ø 16 cm = 6.3 inch
Power out
from Radiomuseum.org Model: VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191 - Incar S.r.l.; Vercelli
Material Wooden case
Shape Tablemodel with Push Buttons.
Dimensions (WHD) 535 x 370 x 270 mm / 21.1 x 14.6 x 10.6 inch
Notes

See similar model Tonfunk W191M with magic eye EM4.

Identification not 100% certain.

Mentioned in -- Schematic

Model page created by Davide Rovelli. See "Data change" for further contributors.



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Incar S.r.l.;: VZ603 Ch= Tonfunk W191
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INCAR model identification help
Davide Rovelli
08.Aug.20
  1

Hello,

I own the attached INCAR radio. Can somebody help me identify the model and the corresponding schematic? I couldn't find it on the INCAR page, or maybe the model is already there without a picture.

I would like to restore it.

Incar radio front

Incar radio inside

label of the incar radio

incar radio back

Full resolution pics are here.

Thanks & regards

Davide

 

Mark Hippenstiel
08.Aug.20
  2

Hello Davide,

I can already tell you that this is a "German model" made by Tonfunk. Tonfunk has made radios for many third parties so it's per se nothing too much out of the ordinary.

That also means that is are a plethora of variants - this is even the case for their standard production. Therefore it would be needed for you to specify the tube complement of your radio.

The chassis are very similar across models. Have a look at Tonfunk W191M for instance (we have images only for the EL41 version, but the model also exists with EL84).

Regards
Mark

Edit: of course this is just an example of one Tonfunk model with a similar chassis, but it's not fitting very closely overall.

Mark Hippenstiel
19.Aug.20
  3

Hello Davide,

I think you can work with the schematic of WM191M except for the magic eye. I don't think that the two thick resistors to the right of the output transformer are original (green, probably with asbestos - and grey, probably a wire resistor).

Good luck,
Mark

Davide Rovelli
23.Aug.20
  4

Many thanks Mark.

 

Of course I'm not an expert, what do you exactly mean by "specifying the tube compartment"? Try to retrieve the installed valves' manufacturers/brands?

 

At the same link I added some photos after some cleaning.

Thanks

Davide

  

Michael Watterson
25.Aug.20
  5

Tubes = Valves.

The glass things with pins at the base. I can see one is probably an EABC80.

Mark Hippenstiel
25.Aug.20
  6

Davide,

The tube complement is indeed the line-up of tubes, or their types, as the manufacturer is not important. This would just have helped with identification.

The chassis is a 191... series and should be almost identical to the one I linked. It has a fairly standard set of tubes: EC92 (FM tuner looks like a Miniature type), ECH81, EF85 (maybe EF89), EABC80, EL41 and in your case EM80 as magic eye. The set uses a dry rectifier.

Regarding the identification: I have a very low resolution folder that shows a very similar radio VZ603 of which we have two versions: VZ603/3D and VZ603RF/3D - both should have 3 speakers and the latter is a phono combination. They don't fit.

There is however also a VZ603 schematic with only one speaker, and EC92, EF85 and EM80. That seems to be a match, with some incertainty. What I said previously about the added resistors turns out to be a factory-added resistance for the 270 V tap of the transformer.

I think you can create the model with that type, and we'll add a note that the identification is not 100% certain.

Kind regards
Mark

 
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