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Freiburg Vollautomatic Stereo FR18

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For model Freiburg Vollautomatic Stereo FR18, SABA; Villingen
 
Country:  Germany
Manufacturer / Brand:  SABA; Villingen
Brand
 
Schwer & Söhne, GmbH
Year: 1965/1966 Category: Broadcast Receiver - or past WW2 Tuner
Valves / Tubes 13: ECC85 ECH81 EF89 EBF89 EM87 EM84 EF86 EF86 ECC83 ELL80 ELL80 EABC80 ECL80
Semiconductors (the count is only for transistors) B250C250 AA119 AA119 E62,5C5
Main principle Superheterodyne (common); ZF/IF 460/10700 kHz
Tuned circuits 10 AM circuit(s)     13 FM circuit(s)
Wave bands Broadcast, Long Wave, Short Wave plus FM or UHF.
Details
Power type and voltage Alternating Current supply (AC) / 115-240 Volt
Loudspeaker 6 Loudspeakers
Power out
from Radiomuseum.org Model: Freiburg Vollautomatic Stereo FR18 - SABA; Villingen
Material Wooden case
Shape Tablemodel with Push Buttons.
Dimensions (WHD) 700 x 454 x 310 mm / 27.6 x 17.9 x 12.2 inch
Notes Ähnlich Freiburg 15, geänderte Rückwand, UKW bis 108 MHz..
Abgleich (auch Steuerfilter)
Alignment (also automatic filter)
Net weight (2.2 lb = 1 kg) 24 kg / 52 lb 13.8 oz (52.863 lb)
Price in first year of sale 635.00 DM
Mentioned in Taxliste Franzis Verlag
Literature/Schematics (1) -- Original-techn. papers.

Model page created by Hermann Jung. See "Data change" for further contributors.



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SABA; Villingen: Freiburg Vollautomatic Stereo FR18
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saba: FR18 ; Freiburg Vollautomatic Stereo
Bryan McAlley
04.Feb.12
  1

I am about to try to repair two problems with my FR18. They are similar.

i) The Speech/Music button no longer operates; and 

ii) The On/off button not longer operates.

 

I think that each button is connected to a relay and that I need to look at both relays first.

Before I start working on this, I would be very grateful for any advice!

(I will transate this into German using Google, but the results may not be very good!!)

 

Very many thanks,

 

Bryan

 

 

 

Ich bin zu versuchen, zwei Probleme mit meinem FR18 reparieren. Sie sind ähnlich.

i) Die Sprache / Musik-Taste nicht mehr funktioniert, und

ii) Der Ein / Aus-Taste nicht mehr funktioniert.

Ich denke, dass jede Taste ist mit einem Relais verbunden und dass ich an beiden Relais zuerst schauen müssen.

Bevor ich auf diese zu starten, wäre ich sehr dankbar für jeden Hinweis!

(Ich werde das ins Deutsche mit Google transate, aber die Ergebnisse sind möglicherweise nicht sehr gut!)

Sehr vielen Dank,

Bryan

 

Omer Suleimanagich
05.Feb.12
  2

Check with RMorg member, Paul Pinyot, for prior threads on this subject.

Bryan McAlley
05.Feb.12
  3

Many thanks - I have gone through all Paul Pinyot's postings and can't find any reference to this problem; I will try to conatct him via the forum, but perhaps I have missed the relevant posting?

 

Bryan

Paul E. Pinyot † 2013
05.Feb.12
  4

Bryon,

 

Looking at the schematic there are several basic electro-mechanical trouble shooting steps that are needed.  I specifically did not have the problems you have.  But have had similar solenoid stepped switch problems with other gear. 

You have to determine if the controlling circuit to the solenoid coil is good or bad.  Does the push button complete the electrical circuit to the coil so current flows and a magnetic field pulls the mechanical lever to toggle the switch?  If not then the button, a wire or the coil is bad.

If the coil generates a magnetic field and nothing happens could the mechanical part of the switch be bad?  Has the oil and grease turned into a solid mass that impedes the mechanism?  Has the mechanism been bent and fails to engage the rotating cams? 

If the whole radio is dead then perhaps the contacts that are toggled are dirty or burnt.  Clean, burnish and or replacement may be needed. 

It is hard to speculate with out looking at your radio or any detailed descriptions of what repair attempts you performed. 

A tooth brush non residue contact cleaner or denatured alcohol can go a long way to cleaning up the mechanical part of the power stepper and the tone control.  A drop of ligh machine oil on rotating parts will help a lot (only after the old grease and dirt has been removed).

There is a capacitor that has to charge before the tone control solenoid coil will “pick” .  If you push the tone button too rapidly this capacitor does not have enough time to re-charge.  It takes about 5 to 10 seconds.  If not the cap and/or associate circuits may be bad R615, R614 & C616.  There is no such capacitor on the power solenoid. 

Essentially start with basic solenoid and stepper switch preventative maintenance and advance to trouble shooting from there. 

Good Luck,

Paul.

Bryan McAlley
11.Feb.12
  5

Thank you Paul - and thank you for the helpful link to the Saba forum.

 

The problem was indeed the relay which sits next to the mains transformer - it was sticking, so I removed it and cleaned it and lubricated it. All is well now!

 

Now - on to the speech/music switch  problem, which I am advised can be due to the failrue of one of two resistors (although it may also be a faiult with the relay itself).  All I have to do now is locate it!!  I'm off to print out the schematic.

 

I'll keep you advised about my progress!!

 

Thanks again,

 

Bryan

 
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saba: FR18 (FR 18); Freiburg Vollautomatic Ste
Omer Suleimanagich
16.May.09
  1

Does anybody have any information about the stereo multiplexer that goes with this radio?

Or for that matter, any experiance with the FM (UKW) section, motor tuning, and adjustment of the stereo multiplexer?

 

Ernst Erb
21.May.09
  2

Dear Omer
I just see that you did not receive an answer yet.
I can imagine that most German speaking members want to see German only - since each member can select the languages he/she wants to see coming up.

When you go to the model you see that the third Thread there reads as follows:
"Eine genaue Beschreibung über Funktion und Reparatur des Sendersuchlaufs ist bei den Schaltbildern zu den Modellen Freiburg 7 und Freiburg 125 hinterlegt. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Marc Goeritz "

With this Marc Goeritz indicates that a good description about function and repair of the motor tuning devices can be found on the models Freiburg 7 and Freiburg 125.

That may help you. There I also see answers in English - here giving a further link - and here you find many good pictures how to repair

Would be wonderful if somebody would translate such good articles ...

Omer Suleimanagich
21.May.09
  3

Thank you Ernest for your reply.

Recently, I purchased one of these radios in working condition, but discovered that not much has been documented about these radios in general.

I'm a bit puzzled, since this radio is extremely valued by collectors around the world!

As much as the motor section has been discussed on RMorg, there is no schematic or manual for the multiplex unit for this radio.

Perhaps, with other interested members of RMorg, we could put something together for the whole 1960s Freiburg group of radios on this site.

Hans M. Knoll
21.May.09
  4

Hallo Herr Erb, hallo Omer..

Dass keiner antwortet kommt auch daher, dass der Typ 18 ein sehr seltenes Modell, nach dem Typ15 war.

Herr Stichling hat hier eine Aufstellung gemacht die jeder so er nur will finden kann.

link1
 

link 2

 

HIER der Schaltbild Auszug des FR18

Wenn aber jemand, z.B. ich, eine Empfehlung gibt, und der extrem teuere Decoder wird gekauft und passt dann nicht, was dann.
Daher habe ich mich, obwohl ich lange recherchiert habe, zurueck gehalten.
Wenn Omer es will kann er mich via Mail fragen.

Hans M. Knoll

 

Hello Mr Erb, hello Omer..

That to any does not answer comes also of that, that the type 18 a very rare model to which Typ15 was.

An installation made Mr Stichling here the everyone so it only wants be able to find.

If, however, somebody, for example I, gives a recommendation, and the extreme decoder expensive is bought and does not suit then, something then.
Therefore I held myself back in spite of my long investigating.
If Omer wants it can ask it me via mail.

Hans M. Knoll

 

 

 


 

Omer Suleimanagich
22.May.09
  5

Thank you Herr Knoll for this information.

The radio has a multiplex unit, and was purchased in Washington State (if this information is of interest to collectors).

What I wish to do, is see (perhaps with the help of Tom Albrecht) to cumulate all pertaining information about the Saba Freiburg line of radios for RMorg.

I will go over the information you posted, and then get back with some questions.

Again, thank you for your help.

Bruno Gandolfo-Canepa
20.Dec.17
  6

Hello Omer,

I have bought a Freiburg 18, fortunatelly in original conditions, from the original owner. After a dedicated inspection I am convinced the radio has not been intervented or thecnically asisted. The Freiburg has the US I stereo decoder inside.

I bought the radio here in Chile and I don't know if the domestic Freiburg 18 has the E I stereo decoder or the US I export version also.

Cordially,

Bruno.

 
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saba: 18 Stereo; Freiburg Vollautomatic
Bryan McAlley
16.Apr.08
  1 Can anybody please help me translate the Bedienungsanleitung (owners manual) for my Freiburg 18 from German into English please?   Bryan
Todd Stackhouse
16.Apr.08
  2 ...if I had a copy of it.  Is there any way you can scan it and e-mail it? 
Ernst Erb
16.Apr.08
  3 Since the thread is correctly posted from the model itmight help others if you scan and then bring in your post as attachment ...
 
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saba: 18 Stereo; Freiburg Vollautomatic
Marc Goeritz
14.Apr.06
  1 Eine genaue Beschreibung über Funktion und Reparatur des Sendersuchlaufs ist bei den Schaltbildern zu den Modellen Freiburg 7 und Freiburg 125 hinterlegt.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Marc Goeritz
 
SABA; Villingen: Freiburg Vollautomatic Stereo FR18
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