Name: | Lafayette Radio & TV Corp; New York (NY) (USA) |
alternative name: | Wholesale Radio |
Brand: | Duo Symphonic || Mighty Atom || Trutest |
Abbreviation: | lafayette |
Products: | Model types Others Brand |
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Lafayette Radio Corp.; New York, N.Y., 100 Sixth Avenue (Syosset). "Lafayette" branded tubes were made for the company from the early 1930s, but the manufacturer's name is not known. |
Founded: | 1920 |
History: |
We have to keep the part for the birth and early days of the brand Lafayette as a forum article to be flexible and constantly looking for new facts - until we have a clear and sound picture of that early period of Lafayette. See also the growing informaition about the early catalogs.
According to Alan Douglas, Lafayette was run by Abraham Pletman and Leonard Welling, but we don't know yet in which period. Lafayette Radio Electronics Catalogs were well known in the 40's - for instance the 1949 Lafayette Concord Radio Catalog when they had 3 mail order centers (Chicago, New York and Atlanta). In 1961 Lafayette uses two addresses which are published in the catalog 1935 of "Federated Purchaser". According to the catalogue of 1973 they started at the beginning of the 20's to sell via catalogs. Most of Lafayette's models were not the best performers nor were they the worst performers. In 1933 the catalog is number 53 and shows the address "Wholesale Radio Service Co., Inc., 100 Sixth Avenue, New York NY. Rider's volume 4 lists Lafayette only under "Misc." (miscellaneous, models A-11, A-12, A-14 and A-19) and only beginning with volume 5, Lafayette is listed under the L for "Lafayette Rado & Television Corp. At least a "Tube and Transistor Tester" made by Electronic Measurements Corp. (EMC) is branded "LAFAYETTE Radio Electronics Corp. Syosset, NY". We have not yet sufficient information for knowing the "ties" of those two brands/companies. Products of Lafayette Radio Electronics Corp. ranged from tranceivers for HAMs and CBers, and shortwave listeners to normal stereo gear - as can be seen on the front page of "1955 Lafayette Radio Electronics Catalog". Then they claimed to be: "The worlds greatest radio, TV and Hi-Fi center" (Catalog 10-55). They marketed many types with special functions, such as VHF receivers for police and fire channels built into a CB radio - but also already in 1955 "Transistor Parts". A complete model line included many models and brand names to choose from for just about any purpose, as opposed to just a few. The product line also covered other manufacturers' products through seasonal catalogs. The company's best selling products were often shortwave receivers, parts, and portable radios. In the 1960s, most Lafayette brand radios were rebranded Trio-Kenwood sets, which were of moderate performance and build quality. There is evidence that from the mid-1950's the firm was negociating licence agreements with foreign radio manufacturers. Evidence of this is the sale in the US of the Japanese Sharp 5M-67 five valve superhet table top radio as the Lafayette model FS-103,the set produced by Sharp from 1955-56. The downfall of LaFayette Radio began in the early 1970s, following the poor choice to invest in 23-channel CB radios, rather than the 40-channel CB radios approved by the FCC. With less than 100 stores, far fewer than the aggressively expanding Radio Shack's thousands of local outlets, Lafayette Radio remained more of a dedicated enthusiasts' store than a mass marketer.
The banned 23 channel CB radios became illegal for sale, resulting in unsold stock in the company's warehouses. The next blow to the company was the upcoming of electronics retailers relying on aggressive marketing techniques and competitive pricing in the late 1970s. Formerly a national chain, the remaining Lafayette stores in the state of New York closed by the end of 1979. Some local Lafayette stores remained open until 1981. For example, the Long Branch, New Jersey store finally closed in the Fall of 1981. Unsold inventory was literally shovelled into dumpsters overnight to vacate the store. Today Lafayette Radio (Est. 1946) is probably in other hands and at least sales Discount Electronics (Home Electronics), Marine Radios, Car Stereos & Marine Electronics with a website - with a clear connection to Lafayette Radio Co. The statement is: "LaFayette Radio, is a seller of Electronic Products through secondary sources. We use factory names only to advise our customers of product availability. We do not claim factory authorization to sell or market any product. All Our Products are Brand new factory fresh and carry full warrantees. The items depicted and offered for sale on this website are products of their respective manufacturers, who own the trademarks and logos used for those items. The Lafayette Radio Company is not associated or affiliated with, or licensed or approved by these manufactures." [www.lafayette.com] By the late 1970s Lafayette lost a very competitive battle with the Radio Shack stores. The last Lafayette store closed in 1981. As of 2003, the Lafayette brand name was re-launched at the CES show that year. Their products are only offered through special dealers and limited retail stores. |
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USA | 60 | Ten Transistor 10 | ||
USA | 33 | 10 | 35 | |
USA | 32/33 | M-37 | 58 | This model was also exportet in some quantity to Switzerland - we know because the schemat... |
USA | 32/33 | M-53 | 58 | The Rider's Perpetual volume 3 shows the Lafayette radios under "Wholesale" instead under ... |
USA | 32/33 | M-35 | 58 | This model was also exportet in some quantity to Switzerland - we know because the schemat... |
USA | 33 | 10-12 Short Wave Receiver | 58 | The Rider's schematic 7-2 for Lafayette model 10-12 has a date August 12, 1933. |
USA | 31/32 | 10-C, 10 Tube Duo-Symphonic [early] | 35 | The Lafayette 10-C 10 Tube Duo-Symphonic has a Cadmium plated chassis. Three gang type tun... |
USA | 31/32 | 10-C, 10 Tube Duo-Symphonic [late] | 35 | The Lafayette 10-C 10 Tube Duo-Symphonic has a Cadmium plated chassis. Three gang type tun... |
USA | 35 | 100-A | 57 | Push-pull af output. |
USA | 35 | 102-A | 57 | Push-pull af output. |
USA | 35 | 106-A | 53 | Push-pull af output. |
USA | 42 | 1102 | 6SK7 | For this model Lafayette 1102, Rider's shows the schematic on page 13-19. It has the follo... |
Further details for this manufacturer by the members (rmfiorg):
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Lafayette: It's Radio Supply Houses and Catalogs
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Ernst Erb
28.Aug.09 |
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Over decades the organization published regularly catalogs. Here we bring them together and note some specialities. You find also descriptions on the Lafayette history and our struggle getting solid facts for it - title: "Lafayette or Radio Lafayette, the brand and its origin".. Lafayette Catalog 1930 for season 1929/30
There was probably also a Lafayette Catalog 1930 Spring-Summer - I miss it. Lafayette Catalog 1931 for season 1930/31 Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 "Bigger Profits" = 1931 Lafayette Catalog 1931 Spring-Summer = 1931 Lafayette Catalog 1931 "Summer-Fall - Reductions!" = 1931 Lafayette Catalog 1932 Spring-Summer = 1932 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 53, 1933 for season 1932/33
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 55, 1934 for season 1933/34 Supplement C to catalog no. 55 (Newark Branch only) Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 56 1935 for season 1934/35
I miss catalog no. 58.
I have still to clear many things.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 63 Spring 1936 = 1936 I miss no. 64. Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 65, 1937 for season 1936/37 I miss no. 66 and 67. Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 68, Spring/Summer 1937 = 1937 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 69, 1938 for season 1937/38 I miss no. 70. Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 71 Spring 1938 = 1938 I miss no. 72. Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 73, 1939 for season 1938/39 I miss no. 74. Lafayette gift catalog no. 75, 1939 = 1938/39 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 76, Spring & Summer 1939 = 1939 I miss catalog no. 77. Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 78, 1940 for season 1939/40 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 79 Gift Guide 1940 for Christmas 1939 = 1939/40 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 80, Spring-Summer 1940 = 1940 I miss the catalogs no. 81. Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 82, 1941 for season 1940/41 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 83 Gift Guide 1940 for Christmas 1940 = 1940/41 I miss catalog no. 84 and 85 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 86 - 1941-2 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 87, 1942 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 87 "Victory", 1942 Lafayette Radio Corp. Radio Parts Catalog supplement no. 92, 1943 There is more behind that split Supplement no. 97 of date about 1943 shows a name change (with the same addresses) to Concord Radio Corporation (Lafayette Radio Corporation). On the front one reads:
Special remarks for models where we can find out the manufacturer: Lafayette C-34 is model Garod 3790. See also no. 379 |
Ernst Erb
06.Nov.09 |
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This is a working thread - an ongoing process - for the Lafayette catalogs after WW2. It seems that the Lafayette catalogs were started a bit late after World War 2: My first catalog is no. 88, 1947. The last Lafayette before this was no. 87, 1942 (for season 1941/42) and we have nothing in between. Lafayette-Concord Radio Catalog no. 89, 1949 for season 1948/49 Lafayette Concord Supplement no. 90 = 1949 Lafayette Flyer "Greater than ever" (refers to master cat. 949) = 1949/50 Lafayette Radio Television Electronics Buying Guide 950F = 1950 Lafayette Radio Telev. El. - RWT Radio Wire Television Inc. no. 951, 1951 Lafayette "always has the greatest values", cat. no. 9-53 = probably 1953 Later Catalogs Lafayette 1955 money savers cat. supplement 2-55 = 1955 Lafayette catalog 3-55 = 1955 Lafayette Radio (Mail Order Headquarters, 165-08 Liberty Ave., Jamaica 33, NY. no 300, 1956 Lafayette Radio catalog No. 305 = 1957 Lafayette Smash Values, Catalog no. 307 = 1958 1960, Main catalog 1960 = no. 600 1960 Lafayette Radio - Transistor List BK-1300 (2nd Ed.) 1961, Main catalog 1961 = no. 610 for 1960/61 Lafayette catalog no. 612 = 1960/61 Lafayette Anniversary Flyer (41st), Catalog no. 616, 1961 Lafayette Radio Electronics Spring Summer Catalog no. 635 = 1963 Lafayette Radio electronics Catalog 636 = 1963 1965, Lafayette Main Catalog no. 650 = models 1964/65
1966, Winter no. 662 1966, Spring no. 663 1966, Summer no. 664 1967, Main catalog 1966 = no. 670 1967, Gift Guide (for Christmas 1966!) no. 671 1967 Winter Values Catalog no. 672 (prices effective until March 1967) 1967, Spring no. 673 1967, Summer no. 674 1968, Main catalog 1967 = no. 680 1968, probably before Christmas 1967 - no. 681 1968, winter catalog, no. 682 = 1967/68 Summer Catalog no. 684 1969, Main catalog 1968 = no. 690 1969, Lafayette Radio Electronics Holiday Catalog, no. 691 = models 1968/69 1969, Spring no. 693 Summer Catalog no. 694 1970 Lafayette Electronics Spring Catalog no. 703 1970, Holiday Catalog no. 711 Spring Catalog no. 713 = Models 1971 Summer 1971 catalog no. 714 Hi-Fi Sale Catalog no. 724 1973 Lafayette main catalog no. 730 = models 1972/73 Catalog no. 731 = 1972 Lafayette Radio Electronics (no number, but Mail card = no 730 and no. 735 ...) = 1972/73 Hi-Fi Sale Catalog no. 733 1974, probably well before Christmas 1973 - no. 742 1974 (sales prices end May) early no. 743 1974 Sale, catalog no. 744 (sales price end Aug 19, 1974) = 1974 1975, Main catalog 1975 = no. 750 = season 1974/75 Christmas 1974, catalog no. 751 = season 1974/75 Lafayette Catalog no. 752 = 1974/75 Lafayette's Warehouse sale Catalog 754 = 1975 Lafayette Spring Book, Cat. no. 753 1976 Lafayette Electronics Catalog no 760 = 1975/76 Lafayette Mid-Winter Catalog no. 762 1977, Main catalog 1977 = no. 770 = season 1976/77 1978 Lafayette Christmas Catalog (no number) 1978, Lafayette 1979 Catalog (no number) = season 1978/79
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Lafayette or Radio Lafayette, the brand and its origin
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Ernst Erb
21.Oct.09 |
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If you take the words from the Lafayette catalog from 1932, it is quite easy to determine the origin or birth of Lafayette. The "10th Anniversary 1932 catalog" of "Wholesale Radio Service Co. Inc., 38 Vesey St., New York, NY states this the following way: "1922 - 1932, we celebrate our tenth anniversary. A decade of progress in the radio industry." On page 18: "For your protection we publicly announce that WHOLESALE RADIO SERVICE COMPANY is not associated with any other radio concern and never has been." On page 19: "Ten years ago, when the radio industry had just been born, Wholesale Radio Service Company began in a small, two-by-four office, selling a small number of radio accessories. ... Today this company is located in a modern building in the heart of New York's radio section. Our business runs into millions of dollars per year. A large force of men and women are employed to take care of the hundreds and hundreds of orders which come in daily." Who produced the radios labled Lafayette? Where we know we will answer this on the model page and/or on the catalog page which we will write for every catalog if possible. |
Ernst Erb
25.Oct.09 |
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At the moment there is only one thing for sure: Lafayette advertised very heavily in all of the major U.S. consumer electronics magazines of the 1960s and 1970s, particularly Stereo Review, High Fidelity, Audio, Popular Mechanics, and Popular Electronics, among others. The company offered a free 400-page catalog filled with descriptions of vast quantities of electronic gear, including microphones, tape recorders, speakers, and other components which could be obtained for free by mailing in a coupon." The General situation at date of the birth of the brand name Lafayette or the first company which started that brand name and could keep it: Most of the current crop of businessmen on Radio Row don’t date back to that early era, but instead represent the second generation of the old Brownsville group, in addition to a large number of “graduates” from the old Radio Wire Co. (now Lafayette Radio Electronics) at 100 Sixth Ave. A few of the current owners found their way into the business by accident, but generally the trade is a tight, closed affair with very little new outside blood." The old-timers prospered in an industry devoted to component sales and customer contact. If the customer had a problem in some construction project, the salesman or owner was able to answer his need with the correct part and/or engineering involved. The entire business was founded upon the fact that people built because there was no great quantity of commercial equipment available. For the most part the sales help fostered building and were instrumental in bringing many newcomers into the hobby. Many amateurs today can recall the salesman who sold them their first set of parts and offered suggestions and who was available for counseling when it didn’t work. We have to assume that the often copied story: "Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business which started in the 1920s as Lafayette Radio Electronics (LRE)" is just not true. We will have to search for the roots by using "Radio Wire Co." and "Radio Wire Television Inc." - and/or even an other company. |
Ernst Erb
25.Oct.09 |
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Name change of the company in the 1920s: I keep this post free for posting later answers to this question. |
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25.Oct.09 |
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The Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 78, 1940 for the radio season 1939/40 shows an explanation about the name change - see below. The explanation in catalog no. 78 of 1939 is naturally very different and similar to the advertisements in October 1939 in periodicals like "Popular Mechanics" (Vol. 72, No. 4, page 442) and "Popular Science" at the same date. As we have grown, so too have grown the demands of those we serve. Industry: for new and better materials. Individuals: for finer instruments of reception. As our outlook broadened and plans to meet the new demands took shape, it was apparent that a name was needed to reflect the forward-looking spirit of this company. And so, today, Wholesale Radio Service Company becomes Here is why the name was chosen, word for word. Radio: With radio broadcasting this company has steadily expanded. It was and is, the backbone of our business. naturally radio will continue to engage our interests. Wire: We believe the new technique of broadcasting by wire will one day encompass the transmission of both sight and sound. Every current technological development points to ward this end. Television: Whether Tomorrow's televised programs be received by radio or wire, it is our aim to offer the finest services available anywhere. Our new name thus embodies those important factors which, in the very nature of things, comprise our business. Already several associate enterprises in control of patents relating to the communications field have been merged with this company. Conscious of our great responsibility, plans are even now under way to expand the number of Radio Wire Television Inc. retail outlets. This step will place local branches at the service of all interested in finder entertainment, better products and lower costs. Long ago, we established a standard of service. To keep your confidence in us, we pledge ourselves to surpass that Standard in the future. Radio Wire Television Inc. formerly Wholesale Radio Service Co. Inc. New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, Newark, Bronx NY, Jamaica LI. Radio Wire Television Inc. is licensed by arrangement with Electrical Research Products Inc. under patents of ..." We can note that Rider's Lists models from "Radio Wire Television" already in volume 5 from 1934 - all through volume 19 from 1949 (copyright) - except volume 14. The "Rider's" is here a series of the most complete collection of radio schematics for the radio serviceman, containing 23 thick binders and some more.. John F. Rider produced schematics covering about 120,000 radios with 45,000 different schematic diagrams. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog 1930 - Wholesale Radio Service Co.
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Ernst Erb
24.Oct.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 without number (for the season 1930/31) and the main catalog before - if there was one. At the moment we have not seen one for before.
Lafayette Radio Catalog 1930 At the moment this is the only catalog I know with a person named. Since I have no earlier catalog from Wholesale Radio Service Co., Inc. I can not tell if this is really the first time a person is featured or named - at least it is the last time. This opens very much room for speculations ... The "top" Lafayette model in this season The Lafayette Duo Symphonic is in fact using the Wells-Gardner & Co chassis model C or CG, first type. Nevertheless, Lafayette (Wholesale Radio Service Co.Inc.) describes this the following way: "The problems of our engineers was not only to build a receiver that would outperform anything in the world, but to build the dame receiver at a price that would bring it within reach of the average home." The catalog 1930 for season 1929/30 names this 9 tube TRF chassis a "Screen-Grid Neutrodyne Neutrodyne-Beers Double Primary". The Lafayette Duo-Symphonic Screen-Grid has a "special Utah Stadium Dynamic-Speaker chassis" producing from 30 to 5000 cycles. There is a linear power detection and local distance switch. Tubes 245 for push-pull operation. The same chassis is used for Lafayette Duo-Symphonic models 342, 316, 324, 370, 343, 300, 362, 357, 325, 329, 350 and 352, a Phono-Radio Combination. The other Lafayette models in this catalog: Screen-Grid tubes = state of the art!: Content of this catalog - 96 pages: This is followed by some other brands, the Supreme Diagnometer Model 400-B and the Trav-Ler "New Portable Radio Sets" DeLuxe and Aristocrat. Page 38 through 42 offers different loudspeakers. Different brands are offered like Wright-DeCoster, B-B-L, Celotex Baffle Horne, Utah models, Farrand Inductor, Best, Public Address Exponential Air column Horns and Racon 4320 exponential horn. There is also a Yaxley Electric Pick-up Fader. Page 43 offers a model 9-5 stage public address system with 250 push-pull amplifier for $ 377.75 including tubes and a "Dual Electric Phonograph Amplifier. Page 44 offers microphones from General Industries and others like the "Two-Button Broadcast type KK and BB or a model CC. The next 37 pages show very different offers - from Samson PAM amplifiers, General amplifiers like GA-15, GA-30 and GA-20, Silver Marshall 690, 679, 678PD and 677, Phonograph motors, Pick-up's, Power packs like Pilot ABC eliminator, batteries, measurement instruments, Counter tube checker model 533, Hammarlund HiQ-30-Screen Grid 9 tube AC receivers and amplifiers and the SW converter., National Screen Grid Short Wave 4-tube Thrill Box type SW-4, the National MB-29 five tube tuner, National Velvetone Power Amplifier, SM 722 Band-Selector Seven receiver, Silver-Marshall-712 tuner (development of Sargent Rayment Seven), Silver-Marshall 735 "Round the World Six", Aero SW kits, Pilot Super-Wasp Kit 14 to 500 meters, REL SW receivers, George W. Walter Multi-Unit, Amateur radios and transmitters, also as kits - and pages with parts. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 Spring-Summer
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Ernst Erb
28.Oct.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog 1932, 10th Anniversary without number (for the season 1931/32) and the main catalog before, Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 also without number - for season 1930/31. There is also a 32 paged Radio Catalog 1931 "Bigger Profits".
Lafayette Radio Catalog Spring - Summer 1931 This is still in process: After having entered the models for the pre war catalogs we will give an overview about this catalog here. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 - Wholesale Radio Service Co.
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Ernst Erb
10.Oct.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog 1932, 10th Anniversary without number (for the season 1931/32) and the main catalog before, Lafayette Radio Catalog 1930 also without number - for season 1929/30. Just before this main catalog "1931" was probably the Lafayette Radio Catalog 1930 Spring-Summer which we have not got yet- and directly after Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 Spring-Summer. This still unnumbered catalog 1931 shows no Lafayette name on the front cover. The address given for
Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 is for the radio season 1930/31. Since this catalog was most probably distributed in Autumn 1930, we regard the models as for season 1930/31 because they were made and sold in 1930 - and later. The catalog states on page 2:
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Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 "Bigger Profits"
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Ernst Erb
11.Nov.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog 1932, 10th Anniversary without number (for the season 1931/32) and the main catalog before, Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 also without number - for season 1930/31. There is also a 1931 Spring-Summer Radio Catalog - similar like this one.
Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 Content of this catalog: Page 3: "Consolette 425" (probably same chassis as "Midget"), Radio-Phono-Combination no. 7000. Page 4: Colonial Radio receivers "The Princewss", "The Mayflower" and "The Windsor". RCA Radiola 67 and Lafayette D.C. Mantel Receiver (3 x 232, 2x 231, 230) This is still in process: After having entered the models for the pre war catalogs we will give an overview about this catalog here. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog 1932, 10th Anniversary - for 1931/32
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Ernst Erb
03.Oct.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 53, called 1933 (for the season 1932/33) and the main catalog before, Lafayette Radio Catalog 1931 with no number and presumably for saison 1930/31. The catalog directly before this Lafayette main catalog was probably Lafayette Catalog 1931 Spring-Summer and directly after this catalog here is the Lafayette Catalog 1932 Spring-Summer. Lafayette Radio Catalog 1932 is for the radio season 1931/32. This main radio catalog has most probably been published in Autumn 1931 and production/delivery was in 1931 - and later. Therefore we regard those models as being for season 1931/32. This catalog seems to be the last in big format of roughly 30 cm by 21.5 cm. The catalog has been cut to look less worn out ... The following main catalog (no. 53) called 1933 for season 1932/33 and its followers have the measurement 26 cm by 18 cm but it is cut too ... On page 10 is displayed a letter dated July 7, 1931 to Wholesale Radio Service Co., Inc.
Characteristics of top models for season 1931/32 and special features
For more details see the model page We will later try to find out manufacturers for other models. We know at least the following early manufacturers for Lafayette: Gulbransen, Wells-Gardner (B-code? like B-36 but also B-80 for 7-L of WG? one is "La France of WG = 13 tubes), Belmont, Plant "A", Garod, Detrola? One of the cheapest models:
See for instance other brands sold in this catalog:
Or a very special tube: See the tube page
Early car radio
Early television
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Lafayette Radio Catalog 1932 Spring & Summer
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Ernst Erb
08.Nov.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 53, 1933 for the season 1932/33 and the main catalog before, Lafayette Radio Catalog 1932, 10th Anniversary without a number - for season 1931/32. The 20th Anniversary is held with catalog 1941 (not 1942). Lafayette Radio Catalog Spring & Summer 1932 Content of this catalog: Page 5: Model 51 chassis "Minstrel" (Super-Het) = 2Y22067, 2Y22068 Page 6: Model 80 chassis "Dual-Wave DeLuxe = 2Y22054, 2Y22055, 2Y22X53, 2Y22053. With AVC. Page 7: 7 Tube Phono-Superhet, Mantel 2Y22079, Console 2Y22081. Page 8 and 9: Model 100 chassis "Orthotone" 10 tubes: 2Y22057, 2Y22058, 2Y22059, 2Y22080, 2Y22081, 2Y22082. Page 10: 10 tubes 5 knobs = 2Y22088, Long Wave Sets 8 tubes: 2Y22125 and 2Y22126, 7 tubes: 2Y22127 and 2Y22128. Page 11: 2 Volt Battery Set (6 tubes) 2Y22087, Dual-Wave 2Y22089 (7 tubes AC) and 6 tubes DC = 2Y22089 - with the same number! Page 12: 4 Console cabinets only: "The President", "The Gregory", "The Georgian" and "The Sheraton". The 10 tube Dualwave Superhet chassis 2Y22078. Page 13: Trutest 8 Tube Receiver Kit 2Y22033. Erla SW converter 2Y22035 and SW converter 2Y22034 (2Y22035 with RCA Radiotrons). Page 14: Lafayette Auto Radio "Autotone" 2N1422. Trutest Auto Radio 2N14226. The following pages are for books, tubes, parts, National MB-32A tuner, "Thrill Boxes", MB-29A, National amplifiers etc. (Page 19). Television receivers on page 20, followed by speakers, 250 Public Address System, "A" Inter-Office System, Amplifiers, turntables, even a "High grade Swiss compass" is offered on page 25. This is followed by microphones and all what we find in other catalogs. This is still in process: After having entered the models for the pre war catalogs we will give an overview about this catalog here. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 54, for Spring-Summer 1933
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Ernst Erb
14.Oct.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 55, 1934 for season 1933/34 Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 54, Spring 1933
Will be done if and when we could enter the models and pictures for this catalog ... We need also information about the beginning of this brand.
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 53, named 1933
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Ernst Erb
15.Sep.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 55, called 1934 (for the season 1933/34) and the main catalog before, Lafayette 10th Anniversary catalog 1932 with no number and presumably for season 1931/32.. The catalog directly before this Lafayette main catalog was probably a Spring catalog 1933 (no. 52?) and directly after this catalog here is the Lafayette Spring catalog 1934, no. 54.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 53, 1933 - On page 8 we find the "Dual Wave"-chassis M-47 (115 volts) and M-48 (for 220-240 volts) with 10 tubes (Rider's 6-10). The chassis are used for models M-49 and M-50. The top model of the season - with illuminated tuning meter: The models feature Automatic interference suppression, manual interference control, automatic volume control, triple dial tuning, improved twin voice dynamic speakers, tone control and an illuminated tuning meter. Sensitivity is less than 1 microvolt per meter, selectivity for 10 kc separation. It delivers potentially 18 watts but this has been reduced to a max. of 10 watts. Current consumption is 110 watts. Which is the origin of this top model? Lafayette and it's origin: In the "Abridged Volumes I to V" there is no trace of Lafayette or Wholesale. Rider's Perpetual shows its first Lafayette radios only in volume 4 (models A-11, A-12, A-14 and A-19) under Misc. (miscellaneous) and in volume 5 under Lafayette - for instance 5-9 for the 12 tube top model with a visual tuning meter. Also the volume adjustment and tone selector show their setting in a scale, but the models with "Dual twin voice dynamic speakers" are for broadcast only! Interesting to see that the same schematic for L-1, shown under Wholesale in Rider's 3-1 is now appearing under Lafayette as 5-9, now for L-1, L-2, L-3 and L-4. There is still more investigation necessary: Rider's Lists models from "Radio Wire Television" already in volume 5 from 1934 - all through volume 19 from 1949 (copyright) - except for volume 14. Radio Wire Television is the new name for Wholesale Radio Service. Co. Inc. in 1939. Which are the models for the brand Lafayette - which not? Only the detailed model pages will tell when we have created them fully. We will have to decide if we keep the models under the two names or join them. Here are the model pages of Radio Wire Television. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 56, 1935 for season 1934/35
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Ernst Erb
31.Oct.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 59, 1936 for season 1935/36 But directly next after this catalog here is the Lafayette catalog No. 57, Spring + Summer 1935. followed by the catalog no. 58.
Work here still on progress - after entering the corresponding models, pictures and enhancements. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 57, Spring+Summer 1935
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Ernst Erb
18.Aug.09 |
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 59, 1936 for season 1935/36 But directly next after this catalog here is the Lafayette catalog No. 58, which we still miss.
Meanwhile, the Envious, the Jealous, the Inexperienced attempted to counterfeit our formula of success. They copied our slogans; they imitaded the style of our catalog; they reproduced our illustrations (on which pont we have law suits pending); they even did business under names which sounded like ours ... all in a futile, vain attempt to mislead and deceive you. ..." Content About the organization: page 1 - 3.
Has somebody knowledge about the radio amateur models Lafayette sold and could work on that part? It is a most interesting part. Lafayette sold also the Hammarlund "Super-Pro" and the Hammarlund Comet "Pro".
After having entered the models for this catalog or completed them, I will go on with the text here. At the moment it is only an URL for the link in the corresponding models. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 63, 1936 Spring
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 65, 1937 for the season 1936/37 and the main catalog before, Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 59, 1936 for season 1935/36. Lafayette Radio Catalog Spring 1936 This is still in process: After having entered the models for the pre war catalogs we will give an overview about this catalog here. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 65, 1937 for season 1936/37
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 69, 1938 for season 1937/38 But directly next after this catalog here is the Lafayette catalog No. 66, followed by the catalog no. 67 and catalog no. 68, Spring-Summer 1937.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 65, 1937 Content of this catalog: Page 1: J-35, J-36, J32. Page 4: D-13, D-10. Page 5: J-45, J-44, EB-8. Page 6: Console D-30, Mantel D-31.
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 68, 1937 Spring and Summer
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 69, 1938 for season 1937/38 The catalog directly before this Lafayette main catalog is the catalog No. 67, and before that is the catalog no. 66 which both we still miss.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 68, 1937 Spring and Summer
Has somebody knowledge about the radio amateur models Lafayette sold and could work on that part? It is a most interesting part. Lafayette sold also the Hammarlund "Super-Pro" and the Hammarlund Comet "Pro".
After having entered the models for this catalog or enhanced, I will go on with the text here. At the moment it is only an URL for the link in the model. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 69, 1938 for season 1937/38
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 73, 1939 for season 1938/39 and the main catalog before this one here, Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 65, 1937 for 1936/37. But directly next after this catalog here is the Lafayette catalog No. 70, followed by the catalog no. 71, Spring 1938 and catalog no. 72. This thread is pending The member Vitor Oliveira, Portugal has introduced the models from his own catalog in 2006. Therefore we will have to change 1938 to season 1937/38, enter a selected catalog plus individual text (without page number) and enter a link to here in the notes. Manually we will have to change some of the model names.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 69, 1938 "Lafayette Radios and Sound Systems" is now the title on this 1938 catalog from Wholesale Radio Service Co. Inc., 100 Sixth Avenue. They have now offices and/or sales rooms at Chigago, Ill., 901 W. Jackson Blvd.; Atlanta, GA, 430 W. Peachtree Street, N.W.; Boston, Mass., Federal Street; Bronx, NY., 542 E. Fordham Rd.; Newark, NJ, 219 Central Avenue and in Jamaica LI, 90-08, 166th Street.
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 71, 1938 Spring
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 73, 1939 for season 1938/39 The catalog directly before this Lafayette catalog, no. 70 and after is no. 72, both we still miss.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 71, 1938 Spring
After having entered the models for this catalog or enhanced, I will go on with the text here. At the moment it is only an URL for the link in the model. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 73, 1939 for season 1938/39
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 78, 1940 for 1939/40 and the main catalog before this one here, Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 69, 1938 for 1937/38. But directly next after this catalog here is the Lafayette catalog No. 74, 1939, followed by the Gift Catalog, no. 75, 1939 for Christmas 1938 and catalog no. 76, Spring & Summer 1939 and catalog no. 77. This thread is pending
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 73, 1939
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Lafayette Catalog no. 75, Gift Catalog 1939, Christmas 1938
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 78, 1940 for season 1939/40 The catalog directly before this Lafayette catalog, no. 74 we miss.
Lafayette Catalog no. 75, Gift 1939 In this catalog for 1938 Lafayette mentions again 7 showrooms: New York NY, Chicago ILL., Atalante GA, Newark NJ, Bronx, NY, Jamaica LI - and Boston, Mass. Page 51 shows the electric record-players models: K21964, K21965, K21966, K21967, K22005, K22006 and K22012.
Later we link this thread to each model from this catalog. We then have a common text for each model of this catalog and can inform about the specific model year et. We then don't have to change on each model if we find something new or an error etc.
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 76, 1939 Spring & Summer
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 78, 1940 for season 1939/40 The catalog directly before this Lafayette catalog is no. 75 Gift Catalog 1939 for Christmas 1938. We miss the one after, no. 77.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 76, 1939 Spring & Summer
After having entered the models for this catalog or enhanced, I will go on with the text here. At the moment it is only an URL for the link in the model. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 78, 1940 for season 1939/40
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no 85 which we still miss and 86 (1941-2) for season 1940/41 and the main catalog before this one here, Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 73, 1939 for 1938/39. But directly next after this catalog here is the Lafayette catalog No. 79, followed by catalog no. 80, Spring-Summer 1940, catalog no. 81 and catalog no. 82, followed by the catalog no. 83 "Gift Guide 1940".
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 80, 1940 Spring - Summer
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 85, 1941-1 for season 1939/40 and no. 86, 1941-2 for the same season. The catalog directly before this Lafayette catalog is no. 79 which we miss. We also miss the one after, no. 81.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 80, 1940 Spring - Summer I handed this catalog over to Mr. Schaffhauser on 6th July 2010 including catalog no. 82 - on which Mr. Schaffhauser will start. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 82, 1941 for season 1940/41
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no 85 which we still miss and 86 (1941-2) copyrighted 1941 - for season 1940/41?? and the main catalog before this one here, Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 78, 1940 for 1939/40. There is something wrong with numbers/years here ... I have to find out later ... But directly next after this catalog here is the Lafayette catalog No. 83, Gift Guide 1940.
The Swiss member Felix Schaffhauser has just informed me (October 28, 2010) that he has created the model pages for the Lafayette radio models in this catalog and that he will go on with catalog number 80. We again have linked each model with this text - which again leads to other Lafayette texts. For catalog 82 we have not yet created the model pages for gramophones, amateur, PA, amplifiers, kits etc.. . |
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Lafayette Catalog no. 83, Gift Guide 1940
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no 85 which we still miss and 86 (1941-2) copyrighted 1941 - for season 1940/41??
Company names: The catalog no. 80 (copyrighted 1940) is still showing "Radio Wire Television, Inc." (formerly Wholesale Radio Service Company Inc.). The 20th Anniversary catalog, no. 82 (copyrighted 1941), shows "Lafayette Radio, the world's largest radio supply house" and inside it shows "Lafayette Radio Corporation" (LRC) as company name. This applies also for this Gift Guide 1940. The striking point is that catalog no. 86 (copyrighted 1941) reads again "Radio Wire Television, Inc.".
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 86, 1941-2
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 87, 1942 copyrighted 1942. The main catalog before this one here is Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 82, 1941 for 1940/41.
Content of this catalog: Page 2: JS-319, JS186, JS187, D-247, D-248. Page 3: MA-322, MA-324, S-165. Page 4: JS-190, JS-188, JS-189, D294. Page 5: C-200, C219, D-251. Page 6: G-331, JS-320, JS193. Page 7: D-233, D-246, B196. Page 8: S-317, T-325, EB-240. Page 9: C-211, C-210, C-205, C-201, C-212. Page 10 (consoles): C-213, FE-286. Page 11 (consoles) B-275, JS-300. Page 12 (consoles) B-274, B-273, B-273W. Page 13 (consoles) FE-255, FE-254.
This will be worked on after we could enter the models and pictures for the models corresponding to this catalog. We need the URL for the linkabe of each model to its catalog. A lot of work for this is in the front. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 87, 1942
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Overview Klick here for "all" Lafayette models. Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 88, copyrighted 1947. The main catalog before this one here is Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 82, 1941 for 1940/41. This catalog no. 87 in two versions is the last until WW2.
There are two different catalogs for no. 87! Content of this catalog: Cover inside: Models: JA-308, JS-241. The following pages are (not in this order) for tubes, books, communication receivers and tansmitters (page 55-59), beginner's sets and accessories, home electric record players (page 24-26), pick-ups, meters, test instruments and oscilloscopes from different brands (10 pages!), speakers, hearing aids, (page 93), parts (including racks, panels and cabinets, handlers, knobs etc.), sockets, set builders accessories, tools, fluorescent lamps. Main difference to the catalog with the same number below: Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 87 "Victory", 1942
Content of this catalog "Victory": Page: 2 Models: JS-186B; JS-166
This will be worked on after we could enter the models and pictures for the models corresponding to this catalog. We need the URL for the linkabe of each model to its catalog. A lot of work for this is in the front. |
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Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 88, 1947, 25th Anniversary
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Overview Lafayette is known as a mail-order catalog business with sales outlets in different cities.See company description and the text about these catalogs. See also the next main catalog, the Lafayette Radio Catalog 1948 (for the season 1947/48) and the main catalog before, Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 87, 1942 for 1941/42. The catalog directly before this Lafayette main catalog was probably above Lafayette Catalog no. 87 and directly after this catalog here is probably a Lafayette Catalog 1947 for Spring-Summer.
Lafayette Radio Catalog no. 88, 1947, It seems that the first postwar Lafayette catalog was started a bit late and in haste. This probably first catalog is no. 88, 1947. The last Lafayette catalog before this was no. 87, 1942 (for season 1941/42) - and we have nothing in between. There are only a few ordinary radios offered and for some there is no price given ... Description of the catalog content: Without given prices: J50-M, J50-Y (with direct drive dial), MC-11B, MC-11Y, J-62, MC-12B, MX-12Y, J61, J51P, J-62C, MC-13. Only FA-15W and FA-15Y show a price (page 2). Page 6 and 7 feature "Custom Cabinetry" like P-2005, P-2006, P-2009, P-2007, P-2003, P-2001 - without radios but with prices - up to $ 275. The rest is similar to the pre war catalogs:
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Lafayette - the Japanese connection
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Clive Forder
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This interesting Lafayette FS-103 valve/tube set has recently come up for Ebay sale. (Ebay item 271278544065). I am having great difficulty finding out anything about it. On the backboard it has "Japan". I was aware of the 1960's Trio/Lafayette link but this set is clearly much earlier - 1940's? What is the earliest year that we have for Lafayette sourcing from Japan? Or was there a licence deal with a particular Japanese manufacturer? Attachments
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Clive Forder
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My mystery set is in fact a Lafeyette-branded Japanese Sharp model 5M-67 five valve superhet made from 1955-56. Some time ago, researching other Japanese sets, a Google search led me to the pages of the excellent Japanese Radio Museum. It covers all aspects of radio in Japan from the dawn of interest onwards. Their model collection can be browsed online - www japanradiomuseum.jp Attachments
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Dear Clive As you can see here, I followed up to later years, but I did not find a connection to Japan. You might ask our member Tadanobu Okabe, who shows a nice banner link to us and has written the English country text for Japan. You have also begun a collection page by creating a model ICF-32 for Sony. At the moment you have not selected the front picture for your set in your collection or profile. It was also not the first photo uploaded for that model page and therefore your collection page shows only a part of that model. I'm sure you will select the picture you like of the ones you loaded to the model. My suggestion would be to create a Sharp model 5M-67 for Japan and a Lafayette FS-103 for USA. At that time it was often the case that US manufacturers and US brands ordered at least some of their models from Japan. It is good to write the origin in the notes. You are most welcome to enlarge our collection for any country or brand. We miss active members who would help to do the same I have done for Lafayette USA. John Kusching (USA) would be most glad to provide information on which brand to begin with and could also send catalogs or other information for doing this. He is the most active member in the USA. Anyway: Thank you for your participation! |
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There were (and are) OEM makers that never sell under their own badge. HTC used to do this with phones. New Hope Electronics (Japan) appears to have supplied Shira, TEC (Tokio Electronics), Binatone and Shewa Bros. Pye sold Pye, Ekco and Invicta models made by Japanese companies, as well as having their own Hong Kong factory (Empire Made) from early 1960s. Before EMI / HMV took over the Marconi/Marconiphone domestic brand in late 1920s or early 1930s, Plessey made many Marconi sets. They made most of the Defiant sets for Co-op. They may have made many "Westminster" sets for Currys and made a virtually identical set for Ever Ready and EMI (Marconiphone branded). Many Lissen/Ever Ready sets used same Chassis as Pye Models 1935 to 1938. Conversely eventually all Mullard Radios from later 1930s are mostly really Philips as Philips owned Mullard from 1928. Similarly some 1950s Schaub-Lorenz and Kolster Brandes sets are very similar as ITT owned both for a very long time before rebranding to ITT. There is was never a connection at all between Ever Ready, Plessey, Marconi, Cossor, Pye, Co-op during the period 1919 to 1950 other than OEM (Industry contractor and customer) even though some identical chassis and near identical Models. So two identical models may simply mean the same OEM source or one maker sold to the other, and no connection between the companies other than supplier and customer. This also applies to valves/tubes with Philips/Mullard buying US tubes and rebranding Amerity. RCA and Sylvania also produced tubes for each other. Apple sues Samsung over phones yet the 1st iPhone used Samsung designed ARM CPU and current iPhone has much Samsung value parts including CPU. Companies buy often where they get the best deal and all makers "outsource" from time to time even to "retail enemies". So we can "read nothing into" two identical models from different Brands. Sometimes makers have even delibrately copied a competitor in a different market (with or without a licence!) in their own manufacturing.
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Clive Forder
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Thank you both for adding to the discussion. Unless I am mistaken, I already have model proposal pending for the Lafeyette FS-103. Lafeyette as a radio manufacturer has fine pedigree, certainly. But possibly post-WW2, like so many other now defunct US radio marques, when facing market loss due to Japanese encroachment into their home market, they may well have decided to attempt to cooperate with their Japanese competitors. So by branding a set as "Lafayette" its entry into the US market would be eased. May I mention another example of Lafeyette re-branding a Japanese set. I have in my own collection a Sansei Hi-Mood FM set, RMorg model No.239666. I then noticed the same radio branded as a Lafayette on Ebay sale and successfully proposed it for a model page - No.239945. So I was not surprised to see a Japanese sourced Lafayette with the FS-103. But I really thought that the FS-103, with its lacquered wooden case, was very much earlier - 1950 at the very latest. But now it does not appear so strange - look at the 1956 wooden-cased Sony TR-72 Gendis for example. So I started this thread thinking that I might have discovered a possible late-1940's or even earlier Japanese Lafayette link.
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